date: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM
subject: Re: DR. EDWIN VIERA: any attempt by the President to usurp any or all of the powers ... would constitute a "high Crime[ ] and Misdemeanor[ ]" for which "Impeachment" and "Conviction" would be appropriate
Both you and Dr. Viera are deadly wrong. You both seem to be implying that there is a REMEDY for this Constitutional crisis that grips this nation? How stupid can you be to sit there and imply there is an "easy" fix to the 150+ years of Constitutional rape that both Republicans and Democrats have perpetrated on the American citizenry? How can you return to 1862 and change the unconstitutional attack on "the Southern states" when the Constitution does not provide authorization to FORCE states to remain in the Union? How can you undo the Republican rape of America by allowing a non-natural born citizen to sit as Vice President, then POTUS? How can you determine if the Statehoods are valid for the 12 states that entered the Union after an non-eligible DE FACTO thug became slime-King in the Cesspool of the White House in 1881 (Chester Arthur)?
And then we have the Democrat rape when they allowed the present illegal alien do the same. Since January 20, 2009 this Kenyan citizen has placed a further stench within the White House. The Congress, Supreme Court and the entire Federal Marxist Government have equally conspired to allow this Kenyan Alien to smell up the already stinking corrupt halls of the den of thieves at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
There is no simple remedy but the only possible remedy would be to amass a million or more ARMED AND OUTRAGED PATRIOTS MARCHING ON WASHINGTON D.C. As long as a single Republican or Democrat remains in power, there will NEVER be an acceptable remedy. When are you going to get your head "out of the sand" and realize AMERICA AND OUR FORMER CONSTITUTION IS OVER for now. Unless we rip it back by the point of a pitchfork we will NEVER be free nor escape the debt slavery that we have been chained with. IMPEACHMENT? What a laugh! So who is going to try the matter? The friggin' Republicans and Democrats that got us to this point in the first place?... And you are going to allow the Chief Supreme Thug Roberts to sit as the JUDGE? The only thing he (or any member of the Supreme Court or FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM) should be able to decide is whether he prefers a blindfold or not at HIS EXECUTION.
I still volunteer to lead the force to Washington DC and arrest the Kenyan alien and all the thousands of Federal goons that brought us to this point. We cannot put new wine in an old bottle. Until you accept this premise, you are only perpetuating the myth that "all is well in Zion." Until you are TRULY ready to drain the cesspool, you will still have nothing but more-of-the-same. Look at the buffoons that are running for President...all merely vow to continue the status quo regarding the Kenyan Marxist in control of our military. Do you really think a single one of them will go on a witch hunt once elected to perform an exorcism on the evil-doers in D.C.? I think not.
Will there be fear if you tell your friendly Congressman that you want to Impeach their Messiah from Kenyan? Not an iota of fear will they have! But if you tell them that YOU ARE COMING ON 11-11-11 to effect an citizen arrest ON THEM and it will be an armed force that is coming. And unless they take action before this date certain, a personal arrest will be performed on them, then nothing will change!...At that point they will have three options:
1) Wait and see what happens.
2) Try to remedy the situation
3) Hide behind their Capitol Police and Riot forces stationed at nearby Army bases.
Of course, 11-11-11 is on a Friday and most Congressional critters will be running home (in their districts) to hide. The only people left in the Capitol will be me and my shadow. But yet, it could be an ARMED event. The Kenyan squatting the the White House will claim he has power via the Constitution to PUT DOWN REBELLIONS:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;..."
It will be amusing to see how they can justify "calling forth the Militia" when WE ARE THE MILITIA!
And if there is not a legitimate Commander-in-Chief, the Army is without a leader. How can they constitutionally act?
So unless you join with me on 11-11-11 then you are merely spitting in the wind. Your remedy is worthless and improper. There can be no constitutional "Presidential Impeachment" against a DE FACTO tyrant.
But, Americans are sissies. They fear of losing their place at the public trough. 200,000,000 Federal checks are written each month and the sissies fear of losing their monthly handout.
I will make this wager with you...On this date on Aug 29, 2013 (2 years from today's date) the Soetoro matter will not have been resolved! How much do you want to wager? A diet coke and a steak dinner at Sizzler's?
Edward C. Noonan
President - 2012 (if the next election is indeed valid) (which I do not believe it is!)
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Neil Turner
Citizens for the Constitution; As many of you know, there has been an on-going discussion and disagreement by various patriots as to whether ‘impeachment’ is a valid action to be brought against the usurper in our White House. The main argument against it is taken from an article written by Dr. Edwin Viera in 2008, BEFORE the usurper was actually ‘certified’ by the electoral college, and before he was ‘sworn in’ by CJ John Roberts. ‘If Obama does become an usurper posturing as "the President," Congress cannot even impeach him because, not being the actual President, he cannot be "removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" (see Article II, Section 4).’ Over 3 years have passed, and Dr. Viera has now spoken up and used the dreaded and verboten ‘IMPEACHMENT’ word in his recent article of August 13, 2011, ‘FABLES OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT’: Inasmuch as Article II, Section 3 the Constitution commands the President to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”—and inasmuch as one of those “Laws” is the Constitution itself—and inasmuch as Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly empowers Congress alone “to enforce” Section 4—it follows that any attempt by the President to usurp any or all of the powers “[t]o borrow Money”, “[t]o lay and collect Taxes”, or to emit fiat currency in order purportedly to enforce Section 4 would constitute a “high Crime[ ] and Misdemeanor[ ]” for which “Impeachment” and “Conviction” would be appropriate, followed by criminal prosecution of both himself and his accomplices. So it would appear that even the erudite Constitutional scholar, Dr. Edwin Viera, has concluded that we must first impeach the usurper, so that he can then be prosecuted and tried for any and all of his ‘high Crimes’ committed while occupying a ‘high’ (elected) office - whether lawfully seated or not. Here are excerpts from the article: FABLES OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
August 13, 2011NewsWithViews.com The more I peruse the current public discourse about the application of the Fourteenth Amendment to the present quandary of public debt that confronts this country, the more I am convinced of the wisdom of the observation of the ancients that “Against human stupidity even the immortal gods contend in vain!” The gist of the argument in favor of the Fourteenth Amendment’s positive application rests on the first sentence of Section 4 of the Amendment: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” Supposedly, this sentence grants a power to the President to borrow money in order to pay outstanding “public debt of the United States” as it comes due, even though Congress has not authorized such additional borrowing. Apparently the theory is that, if the President could not exercise this power, some of the debt would be unpaid at maturity, and therefore its “validity” would “be questioned”, in violation of the Amendment. … Read the rest of the article here: http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin242.htm And here is where he calls for impeachment: …. Inasmuch as Article II, Section 3 the Constitution commands the President to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”—and inasmuch as one of those “Laws” is the Constitution itself—and inasmuch as Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly empowers Congress alone “to enforce” Section 4—it follows that any attempt by the President to usurp any or all of the powers “[t]o borrow Money”, “[t]o lay and collect Taxes”, or to emit fiat currency in order purportedly to enforce Section 4 would constitute a “high Crime[ ] and Misdemeanor[ ]” for which “Impeachment” and “Conviction” would be appropriate, followed by criminal prosecution of both himself and his accomplices. And his closing sentence is a real ‘doozy’: One need not be an electrical engineer, therefore, to realize that the legal “bright bulbs” in the White House are running at far below their self-rated wattage. © 2011 Edwin Vieira, Jr. - All Rights Reserved
Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School). For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues. In the Supreme Court of the United States he successfully argued or briefed the cases leading to the landmark decisions Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, Chicago Teachers Union v. Hudson, and Communications Workers of America v. Beck, which established constitutional and statutory limitations on the uses to which labor unions, in both the private and the public sectors, may apply fees extracted from nonunion workers as a condition of their employment. So now you know. And now it’s time to put a little fear into the hides of the those we have elected – that their job is on the line (the only thing they seem to care about) if they don’t START the IMPEACHMENT process – NOW!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63458235/112th-You-Impeach-or-We-Replace 112TH Congress-members! You start his IMPEACHMENT, or we start your REPLACEMENT! Go here to be able to contact your elected representatives directly – without going through their website:http://www.congressweb.com/cweb2/index.cfm/siteid/resourcecenter/action/Legislators.ValidateZipCode/composeyourown/true In Liberty. Neil B. TurnerCitizens for the ConstitutionNBTurner@Earthlink.net P.S. You can drop this URL (www.TinyURL.com/3ca8cbb) (linking to the Impeach or Replace poster above) into your email to your Senators and Representative – so they really get the message. They aren’t very much worried about being recalled, but they certainly are concerned about being replaced in their cushy job paying over $14,000 per month – for LIFE!